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When I first found the site, there were few questions unanswered, also newly asked questions were good. Now, it feels like there are a lot of one-shot questions which either do not get answered properly or are badly written and do not get cleared up by the original asker.

Is there something we can do to improve this? Have the pageviews declined? Did some of the great original folks go away?

asked Jun 02 '10 at 09:04

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Good point.I don't think it has anything to do with quality. Enthusiasm is s/thing that's individual I guess, and perhaps the site is just going through a dryish phase. Its a good thing that people aren't just asking questions for the sake of asking that keeps the quality high maybe? I was personally quite excited about the article "fathers and postpartum depression" & posted a community wiki question hoping to instigate some kind of commentary but to my surprise it remains unanswered. Sorry for the long comment, am unable to answer your questions so I thought it better to comment!

(Jun 02 '10 at 11:18) emination

Pageviews are actually growing slowly but steadily since the first of the year. I think that's a testament to the amount of questions that have already been asked and answered. People are finding their answers on moms4mom.

You've asked a really good question. I'm going to explore it here with some thoughts, and I invite everyone to comment:

  1. A topic like programming is constantly changing at a rapid pace, so there's always some new framework or something to ask questions about. On the other hand, parenting just doesn't change that fast. A lot of the questions we have now are the same questions parents had a decade ago, or longer. Perhaps the answers change, but the questions are the same.

  2. People are more willing to ask a programming question online than a parenting question. Parenting is just one of those things you're supposed to "know" how to do. It's built into our culture that to ask for parenting advice is to admit failure at a most basic human activity. On the other hand, the programmer culture has always been exceptionally open and supported sharing and learning.

  3. We've deliberately pounced on opinionated people with the back-it-up principle. I believe this has kept quality really high, but in some cases opinionated == passionate. We're deliberately excluding some people who would be passionate contributors, but it's in the spirit of being selective and better. What we're left with is a community who are great to hang around with, but are less enthusiastic because none of us have an agenda we're trying to push. Someone who's taken up the cause of banning vaccines is going to be a lot more motivated and committed to their cause than a skeptic saying, "yeah, but show me some proof."

So I think, as a community, we need an agenda. We need some shared vision of what M4M is going to be. For instance:

  • We're all about the back-it-up principle, because it separates the signal from the noise.
  • Tammy is absolutely adamant that M4M be a safe place to share your experiences, and find that there are others out there having the same problems. That's because sometimes you don't need a "right answer", you just need to know that you're not alone.
  • I'm in favour of "evidence based parenting", and it ties in nicely with the back-it-up principle.

One of the main reasons behind meta.M4M was to start engaging everybody in this process. I propose that we hammer out some of these core principles as a community, figure out what we want to accomplish, and then start going down that path.

Tell us what you want M4M to be.

answered Jun 02 '10 at 21:36

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I'm not seeing much enthusiasm here...

(Jun 05 '10 at 09:46) Scott ♦♦

@Scott - doesn't the back-it-up principle and the other two bullet points clash? I often can provide a "you're not alone" but not always with good quality backing, mostly anecdotes instead...

(Jun 15 '10 at 04:54) brandstaetter
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@brandstaetter -The back-it-up principal allows you to post personal experience and anecdotes. Saying, we went through this this is what we tried is supportive and lets other parents know they are not alone. We just want to avoid people saying things-"You should do this because I said so", "I just think {blank} is wrong evening though I have no evidence", or "If you were a good parent then you would never..."

(Jun 15 '10 at 09:22) Tammy

Yeah. I think I get it now. Feels a bit like getting a square peg in a round hole, getting me to understand these intentions, no? ;)

(Jun 16 '10 at 06:53) brandstaetter

Scott, not much enthusiasm, but does anyone actually come here on meta?

I must admit that I've also noticed a slow down, but then I've been 'distracted' by area51 and meta recently ;) Even Jon Skeet hasn't been back in a while.

I have wondered personally if the SE1.0/2.0 thing hasn't discouraged some people - but I'm not sure how many of the 'regular' M4M users are aware of or influenced by that issue.

As we've already discussed, I'm highly sceptical about SE2.0, and the proposals mechanism. I think it will prevent creation of sites that might otherwise have been viable. In the meantime, I think it has also diluted support and attention (mine in any case)...

But I think that Emi is right that we shouldn't just be asking questions for the sake of it.

answered Jun 11 '10 at 02:01

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I'm not sure if I agree that it's wrong to ask questions just for the sake of it. Many times on SO I've asked a question and posted an answer immediately just because I thought it would be useful to others (and in some cases myself later on). I think if you find out some useful tidbit of information for parenting, why not post it as a question and answer? It leaves a "trail of breadcrumbs" as Jeff says, for the next generation of parents, which is part of our goal. Now, I agree that it's a bit odd to just ask some random question that has no applicability to you.

(Jun 13 '10 at 13:33) Scott ♦♦

I think that asking questions for the sake of answering on SO is slightly different than doing so on Moms4mom. Its the quality and the authenticity of the questions that gives the edge to Moms4mom in my opinion. Of course we can all ask questions we are curious about, and get answers, but that should be encouraged more, but "leaving bread-crumbs for next generation of parents" sounds strange to me.

(Jun 17 '10 at 04:57) emination
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